The pastor, in his account obtained by SaharaReporters, stated that the pastors who indulged in the act had a parley with some of the senior church ministers, who deducted part of their (the pastors’) salaries and remitted back to the church as offerings of the non-existent congregation.
The pastor, who did not want to mention his name to avoid victimisation, added that the practice was called “wisdom” since the founder, Bishop David Oyedepo, was not able to go round and ascertain the authenticity of the figures and offerings being entered into the records.
He said, “Well, they (Living Faith) planted over 10,000 churches before the end of 2020 and they celebrated it. After this were the different issues of no church hall and other necessary materials for the pastors to work. But some senior Pastors keep telling lies that we (the employed pastors) should be patient with them.
“While this was going on, we must send reports of the churches to the headquarters through the area church. This was so that they would believe the church existed. Now, guess what number a pastor without church hall would send.
“But wisdom was what the senior pastors were asking us to use because, Oyedepo could not be everywhere to check. What wisdom was that? Send good figure as the number of the attendance of your assembly; then put money to it from your salary. At the end of the month, half of the money you put would still be paid back to you to support the church you claimed existed. Nobody would ask you how you spend it and all your needs will be attended to quickly from the state headquarters.
“They call it father and son relationship in the Winners family. It is not by mouth but by envelopes that have cash inside. All these were what we were facing; no church hall and other things but attendance must prove that the church was growing.
“Those of us who could not do that were called lazy, fools, unfruitful, and so on.”
SaharaReporters had on Friday reported that the pastors said they were being a net salary of only N38,000 as against the over N150,000 being rumoured in some quarters.
The pastor, who did not want to mention his name to avoid victimisation, added that the practice was called “wisdom” since the founder, Bishop David Oyedepo, was not able to go round and ascertain the authenticity of the figures and offerings being entered into the records.
He said, “Well, they (Living Faith) planted over 10,000 churches before the end of 2020 and they celebrated it. After this were the different issues of no church hall and other necessary materials for the pastors to work. But some senior Pastors keep telling lies that we (the employed pastors) should be patient with them.
“While this was going on, we must send reports of the churches to the headquarters through the area church. This was so that they would believe the church existed. Now, guess what number a pastor without church hall would send.
“But wisdom was what the senior pastors were asking us to use because, Oyedepo could not be everywhere to check. What wisdom was that? Send good figure as the number of the attendance of your assembly; then put money to it from your salary. At the end of the month, half of the money you put would still be paid back to you to support the church you claimed existed. Nobody would ask you how you spend it and all your needs will be attended to quickly from the state headquarters.
“They call it father and son relationship in the Winners family. It is not by mouth but by envelopes that have cash inside. All these were what we were facing; no church hall and other things but attendance must prove that the church was growing.
“Those of us who could not do that were called lazy, fools, unfruitful, and so on.”
SaharaReporters had on Friday reported that the pastors said they were being a net salary of only N38,000 as against the over N150,000 being rumoured in some quarters.
Corruption everywhere even in the house of the Lord.
ReplyDelete@Kuins
DeleteWhere are you calling "the House of the Lord?"
Please do not insult the Lord Jesus whom we worship. He said;
"The foundation of the LORD'S HOUSE stands sure with this inscription; the Lord knows
those that are his, let they that name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity..." 2 Tim. 2:19
Please, the Lord's house is not any physical structure, it is a people, a holy people, a spiritual house (1 Pet. 2:2-9)
The corruption in the church is more than the civil service.
DeleteIt's not new.. I know a RCCG Pastor sitting on this table. He adds to offering and tithes to avoid losing the church. Infact they lost the building they were using cos they couldn't afford to buy it. Now, they're using a member's sitting room. They must be daddy and mummy by fire by thunder
DeleteChurch is a business, whether we like to believe it or not. When it was charitable has gone. Somebody pointed out that the house if God is us.
DeleteIf the Country is good, hear me, they will not see anybody in their midst to deceive. How many will go to church to cast out village people? How many will be in Night Virgil to pray against an anonymous spirit?
How many will be praying for husband's? The Country is bad and it is affecting our young men from making it on time to marry.
Many of the problems that took us to Church is government induced wahala, and can't be solved in Church.
If this Country is good, we will have few Churches.
Not all that call me Lord Lord will enter heaven.
DeleteEnd time.
Amarachi with C. you have said it all.
DeleteGod help me but I done tire for church biz in Nigeria.
The government is the problem that we seek answers to and we go to the church instead of getting an accountable government.
I am tired jor.
@Amarachi, @Mao: The people in the government you are both blaming are your relations, neighbors, friends, etc. They are not from space! This country will be good when WE, the people, decide to be good. When we are “accountable” in our private lives then we can insist on accountability from those in government. The fight against corruption is not that of Buhari alone! As someone said in a post above, when you knowingly pass off fake goods as original you are corrupt. You therefore have no moral rights to complain about other people’s corruption or even lament about “government induced wahala”!
DeleteWahala o. All this still points to the terrible state of the nation. No work!
ReplyDeleteBut people don't even fear God at all. Like I could never even consider doing this.
Na wa...o
ReplyDeleteIt is well
In the house of God kwa! Hian!
ReplyDeleteObi Cubana: Some of my boys who failed & had issues with their business came back to me for help, and I gave them more money. And they are doing well now.
ReplyDeleteOyedepo: We sacked those pastors because they are unfruitful. Blatant failures! We don’t have patience with failures.
Me: Oyedepo has a lot to learn from Obi...Yes, Obi should mentor him on PATIENCE!!
Hallelujah!!!
DeletePreach!!!!
You're talking about two successful business men with establishments in different states in Nigeria, both operating in different marketing strategies with one significant goal in mind, MONEY! Over the years they've mastered their craft, which brought them to limelight, why should one learn from another???
DeleteMay God bless you this day and all your days my dear anon.
DeleteDey tell ya! @anony 10:48
DeleteAwake Black Child..🖤
@Samurai,
DeleteI think what anon is trying to say is that:
One claimed to be "holy" but his ways are "unholy". So he should learn the act of "PATIENCE" and lifting others from the "unholy" one who have shown the act of holiness and humanity by lifting his boys who failed.
There is humanity before religion came and separated us.
Comment of the week right there,@10:48.👏👏
DeleteI won’t blame your assertions, it carries some truth. How can they manage the church of Christ like this, when an entrepreneur makes seemingly better decisions based on patience & compassion than the church. O bad gan oo!
DeleteI won’t blame your assertions, it carries some truth. How can they manage the church of Christ like this, when an entrepreneur makes seemingly better decisions based on patience & compassion than the church. O bad gan oo!
DeleteWhy not put copied because it was Cubana chief priest that made the assertion
DeletePearl, Anon 10:48 already quoted Obi Cubana at the beginning of that comment. (Read again).
DeleteNo need to put copied anymore.
learn obis patience now till tomorrow will not take you to heaven. the only fact is except a man be born again he will not see the kingdom of God. oyedepo oh obi oh if you do not give your life to Christ and walk in his ways then whatever you enjoy here on earth is nonsense. as Christians we must be looking at Christ and his word as our standards. no man pastor or not is your standard. so every man will give account of his works
DeleteHe didn't need to say all these na
ReplyDeleteHow does this edify the church of God. True christians the world over are praying and sacrificing for the unsaved and confused to come to the knowledge of God yet someone is there because of his bitterness and anger is trying to thwart that.
He should have just let it go and allow God to fight for him if truly he was wronged.
You my friend are wise. Darajah!
DeleteBut hopefully his speaking out might get this info across to Bishop
@Darajah,
DeleteYou see why we say Christianity/religion is worst than venom.
He should not say the Truth to save the face of a sinful church whose Bible says "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).
What a wow...
Get lost.
DeleteThis is why this country is like this because of blo.ody hypocrites like you.
How do we clean up the corruption if people dont speak up.
Leave it for God leave it for God, as if he will come down with broom and packer to clear ip the mess you lost have created.
Speak up you refuse.
Stop the corruption, you ate even adding fire.
Just there like an ode oshi.
You must sure thing it's best to leave every bad situation for God to handle, my dear, some issues require speaking out & others violence, if the enslaved Africans captured and shipped to US didnt fight to their death, you think theyd have had their freedom by leaving it in Gods hand? Or they gained their freedom bu singing hymns and worship songs to their captors hearing??
DeleteYou're a slave to religion & pastors like Oyedepo n Adeboye, you need to free your mind, that's the worst kind of prison you find yourself, but ure completely oblivious
I'm only glad I made my own opinion and you made yours... constructively without having to insult anyone
DeleteFree yourself from mental slavery.
DeleteChurch is everyone for his pocket.
My church is in crisis now ,it all borders on money.
I have stopped attending for weeks now coz I cannot expect my prayers to be answered in a confused and corrupt environment.
Darajah, with what you posted, it also means you can cover up sexual abuse in the church, just coz it happened in a church they shouldn't talk about it, they should leave it for God. Smh
DeleteThis dararubbish ehhn you be real ozuor. Leave it for God that’s why Africa rotten like fish. You think God fights every battle Sidon there
DeleteDaraja you are one of the problem of Nigeria and the world at large.
DeleteAll I will say is only the Truth will set you free.
DeleteWahala for inside church.ghen ghen
ReplyDeleteNow this is facts, hmmm what God will judge, politics in church dey indabosky pass Normal Nigerian politics, aside juju some pastors kills just to retain a post, living faith is a successful church and many pastors will do anything to be called successful but that is pure deceit, all these negativity affects nobody else than the name of the church and the founder. These pastors perpetrating this evil are not known. It's well God knows the best
ReplyDeleteThe white man that introduced christianity to Africans should come and see how much they've twisted and redefined it, he wont recognize it again. The truth is, when you make financial benefits the sole purpose of union or gathering, it quickly loses its value.
ReplyDeleteGod bless u
DeleteGod bless you for saying the truth.
DeleteJesus emphasized in his teachings that you cannot serve God and mammon. So I say choose this day whom you will serve.
DeleteI was a winners Minister for years and after seeing what his on in the highest levels of the church I almost became an atheist because the disappointment was extreme
ReplyDeleteNow, I no dey go church but I read my Bible everyday.
I want to start attending again anyway, because it's a good place to network, otherwise, one is truly better off on their own. Too many evil people in the house of God with the most demonic spirits and agendas
You can say that again.
DeleteDemonic spirit dey learn work where dem dey sef. Since reverend father chase me and still dey preach for pulpit naim I carry my two left leg run
DeleteI need to get this off my head. I can't talk to anyone. When I was a teenager and a member of the Catholic youth, the Reverend Father in my church picked an interest in me. Started inviting me and my late sister to his house. One day I was invited alone. He had his way with me. I wasn't prepared and couldn't resist. It happened a second time and that was when I left the church. I've never being myself. It was in kano. I have been asking for forgiveness but I still feel guilty. Can God forgive me. It was not with my consent and I despised him so much after that and hated myself as well.
DeleteMove on, God has forgiven you. Stop guilt tripping yourself
DeleteAnon14:46.
DeleteIt is because of situations like this that Jesus took the cross. Don't let His suffering and death be a waste please.
His arms are wide open, waiting to hug and kiss you as His dearly beloved daughter that you are.
God loves you so much anon 14:46. He cares about you, he knows what happened, he is omnipotent and omniscient. He does not judge you at all, you know why? It's because of Christ Jesus. He has paid the price for your short comings both present, past or future.
DeleteYou were raped, please do not blame yourself. Forgive yourself, it's not your fault. Forgive your rapist too. Do not live in guilt. Nothing absolutely nothing can separate you from God's love.
14:46, please know today that you were a victim not a sinner. Please, don't be hard on yourself, and also forgive the rapist. God's love for you is eternal.
DeleteRaped ke ?!! Una dey mad did she say rape
DeleteI know this is true. The pastor that came to the branch I was attending has refused to leave cos the members are rich.
ReplyDeleteThey give him envelopes after service, they have changed his cars twice within 4yrs of being here.
Infact they have changed his assistants 3times but he is still here cos apparently he "sorts" a senior pastor to remain.
From what I gather, LFC changes pastors every 2yrs or so...I guess he's really enjoying the "fruits" of his "labor".
I doubt Bishop knows how his church is being run. So many allegations of fraud and sexual harassment in this same branch and they cover it up.
Hmmmm,and na still church
DeleteOmooooooo
DeleteOmooooooo
Delete@Amethyst … They change pastors every 2 years but for over 3yrars no they haven’t changed pastors in most stations only the assistants.
DeleteAnd of course it is normal for members to appreciate their pastors with gifts
Chineke!
DeleteMost Pentecostal churches are established for business purposes.It will be worse for some pastors that led the flock astray on judgement day.
ReplyDeleteThis sacked Pastor talks a lot.
ReplyDeleteTell Oyedepo himself to leave Lagos and relocate to a village with 200 people and let's see how many souls he will win in 20 years.
DeleteDon't deceive yourself, it's all about bringing in more money for Oyedepo.
How many herbalists have Oyedepo converted since he began his ministry?
He is from Kwara, How many Muslims has he converted in Ilorin?
How many Muslims governors has he converted?
You see what the so call pastors are doing to please their G.O?
ReplyDeleteYeshua the Messiah is not even a Christian, so the foundation of that religion is questionable.
If religion is scrapped out of the surface of earth, the world will be more peaceful.
Why can't the world leave religion and their leaders and follow God?
May God open our eyes to see the Truth.
I agree with you
DeleteChike na Sabbath you dey go?
DeleteAnon 12:32
DeleteI don't go to any church, but I was born and brought in Sabbath doctrine.
But believe me when I say that religion is scam.
Just know God for yourself and know peace.
Up*
Delete@chike Teflon..Jesus was/is not a Christian because he is God..we as Christains are christains because we follow christ and that makes us a christian.what people fail to understand is that christainity is not a religion but a life style,a way of living..You don't practice christainity,you live it...
DeleteI don't really get your point here Chike. Please how was the name Christian derived? Is Yeshua not the same Jesus Christ? Pls enlighten us
DeleteAnon14:04
DeleteJesus Christ (Yeshua) is the son of God(Yahweh).
@Slim Shaddy,
Yeshua was a Jew because his religion is Judaism.
So HE is not a Christian because HE never practiced Christianity.
The people that created Christianity can answer how they came up with it.
Chike TEFLON you are CONFUSED.COM!🤣🤣🤣
Delete14:04 and Slim Shaddy even tried to enlighten you but you are still spitting confusion. 🤣
The disciples of Christ were first called "Christians" (Christ-like) in Antioch. Acts 11: 19-26.
Some 'wolves' claim to be Christians just to deceive and extort the IGNORANT.
Jesus Christ himself warned about these pretentious wolves. Matthew 7 v 15-16.
Apostle Paul warned about ravenous wolves that will infiltrate Christian fold and not spare the flock. Acts 20 v 29.
Christanity is not religion. CHRISTIANITY is the life of Christ manifestly lived out by His true followers.
If you hear and see what so many so called religious people do, you will be disappointed. God is still God though! Little or no regard for God anymore these days. Spirituality>religiousity
ReplyDeleteJust know God and have peace of mind!
But God is very patient o
ReplyDeleteThat's why judgement will start from the church.
DeleteTruly patient my sister.
DeleteLovelace
Chike you get sense.God bless you
DeleteChike TEFLON read Matthew 24 v 24 - Jesus Christ said that false mesaishs and prophets shall arise to deceive, IF POSSIBLE , EVEN THE ELECT.
DeleteWorse days of deception are ahead. True Christians study and know the Bible for yourself.
*messiahs* (pardon me)
DeleteI believe so much in God,I love Him die and will serve him for the rest of my life but I will not be swayed or swindled by a con artist all in the name of pastor,prophet,G O or what have you.
ReplyDeleteI have a mind of my own and I love it that way.
Hmmmm, this is seriously serious! What this says to me is that the bishop is oblivion of what is going on around him! This is so sad! Some senior pastors are assigned to oversee those small churches, and they turn it to business. Chai, Hod will judge them. Winners chapel used to have a branch in a city, then the level of discipline was out of this world but since they want to be everywhere, they can no longer control people’s spirituality! I’m so pained by this revelation walahi. Who will get these words to Papa?
ReplyDeleteSome of this people love and respect this men of the world more than their parents sef
DeleteHmmm! You see this church matter ehn!
ReplyDeleteSo many things happening you would just want to be a free thinker.
I use to have a friend that was the church secretary in one of LFC branches in the north,these pastors will even sort their ways not to be posted to volatile areas in the north. So the pastors in other northern states have 2 lives abi? And na them go preach make you sow seed pass,hmmm!
Let’s stop deceiving ourselves religion is no longer what it used to be,I hardly go to church these days like someone said if it’s not for networking church go empty.
Even church secretary will take out of someone’s tithes and seed money reasons why he stopped being friends with me because I advised him to stop cos it was wrong ,let me give my money to the orphans who needs it and the poor!!!
Before you attack me remember it’s my opinion you can make yours too....
Stella please post ohhhh
Why should the church task their pastors,the funds they use is free money donated by members.they even make more monies than financial institutions. Any money banked can be retrieved, but when you give to the church you don't take it back cos it belongs to God.I wonder how the almighty and most infinite creator spends money.I believe people should start waking up to understand their purpose here. All these religious biased ideologies are just a form of division
ReplyDeleteThis is incredible...
ReplyDeleteMy father has refused to hear. Our pastors have gone diabolic on him because as the church treasurer, he has refused looting. He is now a walking corpse but he still believes and trusts God to change the situation, I'm tired. Beevees please help me pray for my father to leave church and continue worshipping God at home, I don't want to lose him yet because, I'm yet to repay him for all the good things he has done for me.
ReplyDeleteChai. It is well.
DeleteIt is well. May God fight for him and uphold him in Jesus name.
DeleteIt's well.
ReplyDeleteIt is okay for pastors to have full-time or even part-time work outside of being a pastor.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, God will judge each one of us INDIVIDUALLY - whether your title is bishop o, pastor o, blog visitor o, normal commenter, anon. Each will be judged.
ReplyDeleteThat pastor upthere is not "smart". Chai! I wish I wouldn't be the one to write this, but omo mhen, someone needs to talk to bishop Oyedepo. Using the number of his pastors I know as a case study, most of dem- LFC pastors- aren't different from the regular Nigerian politicians. In other words, they are thieves. Mind you, I am saying this with my full chest. Oyedepo believes he is "wisdom", but what he seems not to be aware of is, some of those guys are "wisdomer". Goodness me! They know how to get the correct amount of salaries bishop is suppose to be paying them. They said "me" is not smart bcoz I stopped playing along with their shenanigans, called me a "woman", and are celebrating in their closet cos we refuse to indulge in the pleasures of Egypt.
ReplyDeleteTo the "honest" and "hardworking" pastors who were sacked, remember, success is the best form of revenge. Do your best not to remain bitter towards Oyedepo or the members of his church. That ll be unchrist-like. Work hard at whatever area of life you chose to work in. Remember, God is the only true judge.
Things are happening sha........
DeletePlease, I wonder why people are saying the Bishop is not aware of all this chicanery in his denomination.
ReplyDeleteWHO SET THE TARGETS FOR THE PASTORS?
IS THE BISHOP NOT SPIRIT-FILLED AGAIN?
Does he not pray and receive revelations from God?
Anointing flows from the top similarly, the wrong things flow from the top.
When you scatter branches everywhere and set targets for soul-winning and offering collection, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?
Go ask target-driven banks how their marketers are groaning under the weight of humongous targets? Most of them have become devious to survive in the 'jungle' as the pastors mentioned in this post.
Besides, I hope he sent his own children to those missionary outposts to lead the work of the ministry?
Jesus Christ testified of John the Baptist in the wilderness - a prophet indeed and GREATER THAN A PROPHET, and NOT THOSE THAT WEAR SOFT RAIMENT
Matthew 11:8 "But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, THEY THAT WEAR SOFT CLOTHING ARE IN KINGS' HOUSES"
My eyes are full from what I have read here so far.
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