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Issorite, Nigerians and religion, hmmmmm let me come and be going
ReplyDeleteNothing but the truth......i have been to a church where they were telling students to sow a seed with their school fees, bring their ATM that the have pos,sow a seed with items like fridge,tv etc
DeleteI was marvelled....that was in school n the church is very popular
He is so right. I am surprised by our Men of God. This is exactly what happens abroad too. Abi I did not read correctly. Accountability is a necessity for any organization.
DeleteE no go pass Christ Embassy
DeleteI was so disappointed in Buhari for sacking that man. Na becos of sentiments na imm make Nigeria dey where e dey. Abeggie we still have a long way jare
DeleteNigerians and Religion, I follow Madam Stella do hmmmm, infact let me come and be going.
ReplyDeleteOnly if.....!!!!!😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞😞
DeleteBe going biko
DeleteThe man does have a good valid point though but what do I know
ReplyDeleteThe man is simply saying what people want to hear, not what really is. If the problem is really about ministers enriching themselves and setting up non-charitable organizations under the church, then how does limiting the number of years of service of the GO solve this problem? I don't see any relationship between the two.
DeleteMakes sense if you ask me.
ReplyDeleteObazi said nothing but the truth and the truth shall prevail..
DeleteEnter your comment...hmmmm seriously speaking I totally agreed wit dis assertion. it's high time churches return bk to original calling or submit to regulated authority to govt as a biz entity
ReplyDeleteSimple
DeleteI like this man already and I can tell, he's saying the truth. Penticostal pastors are thieves abeg.
ReplyDeleteHehehe don't call any pastor a thief cuz your not God....
DeleteTell him o
DeleteEven the Bible says, Judgment shall start from the house of God!
DeleteStella I follow you hmmmmmmmmm
ReplyDeleteWe all know that they are thieves.."only catholic churches and mosque complied,you could imagine...going with private jets up and down and you don't want to account how the money was used or spent..I'm done with pentecostal churches.
ReplyDeleteDon't call them thieves and don't judge cus your are not God....
DeleteHe said "orthodox churches" not "catholic churches". They mean different things.
DeleteIn nigeria which churches are orthodox if not catholic and anglican.
DeleteReceive sense 🙏🏿
Nobi leave blog read books.
DeleteOrthodox Churches: Anglicans, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists.
DeleteThe point if the matter here is the Orthodox Churches and Mosques Have done due diligence. The pentecostal Churches should practice what they preach and comply too. It is ridiculous and Nigerians should get used to a system of accountability. No General Overseer is above the law simple!
DeleteLeave the setup andjudgement of the churches to God.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion
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Delete@ Iris Henry,God bless you.
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the other judgements you do, who do you leave it for?
DeleteTruth in all ratification...
ReplyDeleteTruth in all ramification...
ReplyDeleteIts the truth, I support the taxation on churches. These Pentecostal churches aren't charitable organizations they are businesses that are being passed down to family members and enriching the founders. The Catholic Church is the richest organization in the world, but its not controlled by one man and no pope has owned a private jet. Let's not bring sentiments into this. The Orthodox churches comply and pay taxes for their schools and hospitals even though they operate plenty charitable organizations such as orphanages and old peoples homes, I don't see why the Pentecostal churches who only operate profitable ventures such as schools shouldn't comply.
ReplyDeletePeople dont want to hear the truth. They are all against this man and he has some valid points. Pastors are busy enriching themselves, its terrible.
DeleteI agree.... They are thieves
DeleteWell said indeed I- cee
DeleteHmmm he made sense though.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. This is deep.😯😯😯
ReplyDeleteI think schools and hospitals should be made to pay tax irrespective of who owns them
ReplyDeleteBtw I don't see anything wrong with churches paying tax.....since most pastor aren't contributing positively to the society but only enriching themselves.
On point...
DeleteGod bless you
DeleteSo on point!!!!
ReplyDeleteVery deep. Most religion houses are advanced business centres
ReplyDelete*Larry was here*
I agree, all they do is take and take from there members. They wont escape the judgment of God.
DeleteI hmmmmm too like Stella
ReplyDeleteCopy copy keep copying Stella, dnt try to be original
DeleteThe gentleman is right and the law is right. The citizens need to be protected and the govt. cannot but do otherwise because that is what it meant to do against foreign and local enemies even those under the guise of religion. The Pentecostal religion is but a extreme and fraudulent Christianity that tries to claim it is accountable to God alone whereas controlled by greedy and self-seeking business men concerned neither for members wellbeing nor salvation. The govt. should take a deep look into these churches which not only encourage corruption but are empires of corruption. They have turned God's house into dens of armed robbers, disorderliness and immorality. cyberghoose said so.
ReplyDeleteThe battle is of the Lord. You cannot fight the Church of Jesus Christ and remain in single piece.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Leave the judgement to God
DeleteOK seen
ReplyDeleteReligion separated us
ReplyDelete#Word
ReplyDeleteReligion presently is occupying the highest office or position in Naija!
ReplyDeleteReligion and Politics........ 5&6!
Couldn't agree more. All them pastors be wearing suit of 250,000 God is watching una oooh.
ReplyDeleteIncluding your daddy.lolzzz.
DeleteSend some hereeee.
Lol.
This is quite logical. See reasons. God bless you Mr obazee. Government ngwa over to you.
ReplyDeleteNow I understand!
ReplyDeleteHmmmmmmmm. There is some sense in this oo.
ReplyDeleteWetin concern me
ReplyDeleteShebi you be 'Atheist'? Lol... BTW, hope you are getting better guy?...Ad
DeleteMe too hmmmm like Stella.
ReplyDeleteHow does a simple statement of fact become 'very deep' 'profound'?
ReplyDeleteIs obvious that if you are setting up for profit ventures, you MUST pay tax. There's nothing deep about it.
Hiding For Profit Ventures under charitable ventures such as churches, NGOs,etc to avoid paying tax and complying with other estates of the law is fraudulent.
This 's what happens when money become the center of everythimg. There's religion and there's turning religion into business. I believe they should have left the judgment and accountability to God become this is Nigeria... Where we turn everything into politics and incite hate over issues that aren't even controversial to begin with
ReplyDeleteHmmmmm Na wah!!
ReplyDelete#Your past does not determine who you are. Your past prepares you for who you are to become*
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the part where he said if u set up a school, the school should be free for all members.
ReplyDeletePls sir, where will they get money to pay the teachers?
Poverty is truly a bastard.
If every family is comfortable, well to do and reasonable enough to put their hands where their pocket will take them, we won't av all this problems.
They should just collect tax from the churches then. But where is the money going to? Same useless government?
Mtchewwww
None of my business abeg. If I have money, i'll give my offering and if I don't i'll stay. If they like they should buy one million private jets with the money, as long as God keeps blessing me, it's none of my business.
On judgement day, everybody will face his or her own problem. I just wished sins were in different grades and we had different level of hellfire.
The money they use in buying 4 private jets should be used to pay the teachers if that's what you mean
DeleteThe money they use in buying 4 private jets should be used to pay the teachers if that's what you mean
DeleteA Church with more than a thousand branches sets up one University and a few Secondary schools, and you say where would they get money from?
DeleteJasmine you are learned....Brilliant remarks.
Delete#DontQuoteMe
Dark horse dear, i'm just asking a question o.
DeleteIf collecting tax from them will solve the problem, then they should
No mind them..
DeleteIt is a church, the teachers can volunteer to teach freely after al its stl 'charity'
DeleteThe early missionaries that came to preach in Africa,didn't they set up free schools for their members?
DeleteI am a christian and I don't know what to say so i'll just read comments. But this man made some points up there.
ReplyDeleteG for him
ReplyDeleteGood for him
ReplyDeleteGod bless you. They have business ventures under ministry yet do not want to pay tax.
ReplyDeleteMuslims will always protect their own but Christians will stupidly criticize theirs. Churches should pay taxes in a country where most government agencies are headed by muslims? This is another mistake we want to make to enrich those people, just like they have enriched themselves with southern oil well to the detriment of the southerners.
ReplyDeleteWait. Because Muslims head certain government agencies Christians shouldn't pay taxes? You're reasoning with your anus! Olodo. The logic is sound: If you run part of your church (which is an NGO/not for profit organization) as a profit making entity, like schools, hospitals etc, then you must be taxed, subjected to the rules governing pension & even regulated as per tenure of leadership.
DeleteMuslims will always protect their own but Christians will stupidly criticize theirs. Churches should pay taxes in a country where most government agencies are headed by muslims? This is another mistake we want to make to enrich those people, just like they have enriched themselves with southern oil well to the detriment of the southerners.
ReplyDeleteEven the bible says, the law of the land should be obeyed... it is higher than any other law!
DeleteHistory of Obazee before this fight: he was a pastor in Rccg. He erred and was called to order by pastor Adeboye and he asked who the hell the man thought he was. Just a church leader, whilst he is a highly placed government official... that right there is the motive behind all these. he promised to deal with the man, and even when he dug up this old never implemented law, his superiors called him to order and even got the president to rule out that particular law. Obazee still went ahead, thereby disobeying not just his superior, the law of the land but also the president.
ReplyDeleteObazee failed not just because he fought against God's church, but because he did it for the wrong reasons and was inspired by pride and vanity.
So he can leave the teachings of what's right and wrong about Nigerian pentecostal churches for those who really wants to fight for what's right!
I raise Beyonce hands for you.
DeleteThank you
Delete@miss fee may God bless you for your comment. Most people who are giving opinions on this matter don't understand this issue started right form when this man was a pastor at rccg. He was a parish pastor. He was very unruly and arrogant. He spoke to the workers in his parish anyhow. People started writing petitions to the GO about his behaviour and the GO asked him to come and see him. Only for Mr Obazee to send word to the GO asking who he thinks he his and he should be the one to come to his own office to see him because he's a big man and blah blah blah. He really insulted the GO. That's when stories of him started springing up and then his arrogant and unruly behaviour led to his suspension where he promised to deal severely with PST Adeboye and the whole of rccg. He was really obsessed and annoyed that the GO has a lot if power.He then left rccg and moved to latter rain church. He then started getting close to PST Tunde Bakare to have access to the president. He was asked to hold off on implementing the law until it had bern reviewed but he went ahead after having a shady meeting with some people during the Christmas period.This his so called law he's implementing started in ex president goodluck Jonathan's regime. This same obazee was one of the resons for the termination of sanusi's appointment as CBN governor. His really a bad man. Most people don't understand. Those who were in the same parish with him understand. Even ICAN doesn't like him. Those who know know. Its just that most people don't get the story. Only God knows those who are truly serving him.
Deletebillshit theory. Your story insinuates adeboye knows the person behind his recent issues, why did adeboye attack Buhari, the presidency & APC? Why didn't he mention this so called former pastor? god's church, lol! The true God is so patient! Keep following them like mumu, thunder will fire all of u!
DeleteThe guy has some valid points. Just that some gullible brothers and sisters will start crying wolf.
ReplyDeletePeople should go back and read about the missionaries. How can a church be building structures upon structures abandoning its members. Brothers and sisters their are lots of fraudstars in this church business today. Infact am so angry about the way pastors enrich themselves with their members sweat. I leave everything to God.
Where are there no fraudsters? You're one of the 'some gullible brothers and sisters'
DeleteOh, pastors are enriching themselves and not contributing to the society, what has your government contributed to you, from the local to the federal level? What has those Northern elites that own oil blocs in the south contributed to the south? The problem among Christians is envy, that is what has led them to be against one another to the pleasure of infidels.
ReplyDeleteSo the pastors should follow the government in their looting ways?
DeleteNo the house of God is suppose to be a pacesetter for the society.
What a confused man this Obaezi is. Why not make a policy (that is if there's been none) where schools owned by churches are taxed
DeleteAnd many ignorant catholics her with sentimental mind (i am catholic ) what number of years is assigned for a pope to lead the Catholic Church? Is it for twenty year or thirty years? Who's a pope to the Catholic body? A head and representative of what the Catholic canon stood for I guess? And another pope will be chosen when the reigning one is old? Or another one is chosen when the old pope dies? Same way the pope heads the Catholic Church and he is accountable to God for whatsoever he did while on earth so also is it that G.O Adeboye(and many other) is accountable for whatever it is before God. If we have many fake pastors parading themselves as messiah (in short 80% of pastors are not called by God. And those who call themselves are deceiving people) are we going to say there are no true men whom God as called and have not compromise their stance? It's like saying "most catholic reverend fathers are gay" it's say "most" and which is not true. There might some but does that make all catholic fathers gay?
Baba Adeboye does not own RCCG just as no pope owns the Catholic Church. Adeboye got the mantle from akindayomi and he will hand it over too. In short I heard he said "God told him the person who will take over from him is still out in the world that is such is not in the church yet.. the person is still enjoying himself with wine, women and weed(things christian count as sin) probably the person is a blog visitor here(may be @atheist)
It's true that many pastors are living a luxurious life or off their church finances. If there are such, why don't u leave them to God than come to SDK to criticize and in the process, we are helping God in judging them. Who are you to judge? Last thing I will never do is to criticize a Rev father, pastor or imam. They are humans like me. I only pray for them to have more grace not to fall
Are you sure you are okay? What point are you trying to make?
DeleteAsoge, you are a true reflection of the stupidity and gullibility of the Nigerian people. If anyone can confidently declare, in this day and age that they will never criticise a so called man of God, then that person is living in the greatest form of denial.
DeleteJust imagine if Jesus had left the people selling and doing business in the temple. Just imagine if Jesus had not criticized the pharisees and saducees but said 'touch not my annointed'. Poverty is really a disease and Africa. The whites are really more intelligent.
DeleteHe made a lot of. Sense, it's good to hear from both parties before judging.
ReplyDeletepastor lives extravagantly nowadays. ..they sure need regulations. ......OMAA
ReplyDeleteWhat about politicians ?
DeleteIts like our eyes are slowly beginning to open in this part of the world.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
DeleteThe ishhh these pastors do abroad n pay dearly for it..
Hmmmmmmm
ReplyDeleteso true
ReplyDeletea.k.a EDWIN CHINEDU AZUBUKO said...
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The man made a whole lot of sense. Same thing we have been crying for. I think Government need to regulate churches and mosques. Time to tax them all.
ReplyDeleteAnd shrines
Deleteword!!!
ReplyDeleteChurches should pay taxes. My President shouldnt have sacked the FRC guy but I guess he was trying to quell the religious situation in the country.
ReplyDeleteBy the way..... so these fake prophets that were prophesying about the govt fighting the church knew about what was happening in the background! The living God will keep exposing you lots and give my President Bubu the wisdom to govern this nation.
Pls bvs how can i open ID?
ReplyDeleteWhat a confused man this Obaezi is. Why not make a policy (that is if there's been none) where schools owned by churches are taxed
ReplyDeleteAnd many ignorant catholics her with sentimental mind (i am catholic ) what number of years is assigned for a pope to lead the Catholic Church? Is it for twenty year or thirty years? Who's a pope to the Catholic body? A head and representative of what the Catholic canon stood for I guess? And another pope will be chosen when the reigning one is old? Or another one is chosen when the old pope dies? Same way the pope heads the Catholic Church and he is accountable to God for whatsoever he did while on earth so also is it that G.O Adeboye(and many other) is accountable for whatever it is before God. If we have many fake pastors parading themselves as messiah (in short 80% of pastors are not called by God. And those who call themselves are deceiving people) are we going to say there are no true men whom God as called and have not compromise their stance? It's like saying "most catholic reverend fathers are gay" it's say "most" and which is not true. There might some but does that make all catholic fathers gay?
Baba Adeboye does not own RCCG just as no pope owns the Catholic Church. Adeboye got the mantle from akindayomi and he will hand it over too. In short I heard he said "God told him the person who will take over from him is still out in the world that is such is not in the church yet.. the person is still enjoying himself with wine, women and weed(things christian count as sin) probably the person is a blog visitor here(may be @atheist)
It's true that many pastors are living a luxurious life or off their church finances. If there are such, why don't u leave them to God than come to SDK to criticize and in the process, we are helping God in judging them. Who are you to judge? Last thing I will never do is to criticize a Rev father, pastor or imam. They are humans like me. I only pray for them to have more grace not to fall
Awesome point there
DeleteWhat a confused man this Obaezi is. Why not make a policy (that is if there's been none) where schools owned by churches are taxed
ReplyDeleteAnd many ignorant catholics her with sentimental mind (i am catholic ) what number of years is assigned for a pope to lead the Catholic Church? Is it for twenty year or thirty years? Who's a pope to the Catholic body? A head and representative of what the Catholic canon stood for I guess? And another pope will be chosen when the reigning one is old? Or another one is chosen when the old pope dies? Same way the pope heads the Catholic Church and he is accountable to God for whatsoever he did while on earth so also is it that G.O Adeboye(and many other) is accountable for whatever it is before God. If we have many fake pastors parading themselves as messiah (in short 80% of pastors are not called by God. And those who call themselves are deceiving people) are we going to say there are no true men whom God as called and have not compromise their stance? It's like saying "most catholic reverend fathers are gay" it's say "most" and which is not true. There might some but does that make all catholic fathers gay?
Baba Adeboye does not own RCCG just as no pope owns the Catholic Church. Adeboye got the mantle from akindayomi and he will hand it over too. In short I heard he said "God told him the person who will take over from him is still out in the world that is such is not in the church yet.. the person is still enjoying himself with wine, women and weed(things christian count as sin) probably the person is a blog visitor here(may be @atheist)
It's true that many pastors are living a luxurious life or off their church finances. If there are such, why don't u leave them to God than come to SDK to criticize and in the process, we are helping God in judging them. Who are you to judge? Last thing I will never do is to criticize a Rev father, pastor or imam. They are humans like me. I only pray for them to have more grace not to fall
Dat obazee man is a very big fool!he would definitly face d Wrath of God!is papa Adeboye his mate?so de can not call u to order wen u err?u are a very stupid man!Tank God,God Has Humbled U!dis is just d beginning of d plagues dat wld befall u!u wld definitly reap more calamity in ur miserable life!useless yeye fake pastor!mscheeeeew!
ReplyDeleteI hope you are not a christian because your choice of words is cringe worthy. And please no plague will befall Obazee because you are not God.
DeleteC curses ontop what?
DeleteEven baba adeboye did nt curse obazee like ds.. na u be baba adeboye's papa?!
Anon 15:03, whose money did the church loot? Do churches force people to sow or donate to them? I said churches should not be Made to pay taxes to an embezzling government. Whoever you are, please go back to school, pastors are not the cause of your assimilation predicament.
ReplyDeleteGood point there
DeleteAnon 15:03, whose money did the church loot? Do churches force people to sow or donate to them? I said churches should not be Made to pay taxes to an embezzling government. Whoever you are, please go back to school, pastors are not the cause of your assimilation predicament.
ReplyDeleteThe church owes you no financial entitlement, whine to your government representatives for your poor living. If you are so pained, stop paying tithe and giving offering, the church will still move forward.
ReplyDeleteIssorite
ReplyDeleteLet's say the truth and let the law prevail. What the churches are doing is wrong and I smell a revolution at some point. Soon these pastors will start being victims of heinous crimes (kidnapping, robbery - this has started already even though it is not being reported widely. The church is no longer the church! This man was removed by greedy powers that were scared of the reforms being proposed. Typical Nigeria
ReplyDeleteI can see that religion has completely held a lot of Nigerians in bondage, and yet they know nothing about that same religion. Why are people insulting the obaze guy? Is that Christ like? A lot of the insults you lots spill, would really please the devil. Truth be told, the Obaze made a good point. How can churches be so against regulations if they have nothing to hide? The church has become a den of thieves and very far from being Christ like.
ReplyDeleteHow many shrines have complied?
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