My initial plan was to treat may and might today – being two other important modal verbs, But I had to change the plan based on two related questions/requests that I received from some readers.
They want to know which is correct between you and I and you and me. I guess that we can quickly deal with this because many other people are confused over the correct usage of the expressions. Yet, I want to compound the question before we get the solution.
Why do we say you and I and not I and you; and why you and me instead of me and you? In other words, which of the following statements do you consider incorrect?
I and John attended the school.
John and I attended the school.
Me and John attended the school.
John and me attended the school.
I and you will go there tomorrow.
You and I will go there tomorrow.
He wants to see me and you.
He wants to see you and me.
Others first, self last
Unlike a language, such as Yoruba, which has specific grammatical elements to indicate respect for elders, English does not really differentiate between ages. For instance, Yoruba has o as a pronoun for a young person or one’s mate and won for an elder:
O ti lo (He has gone – for one’s mate or younger fellow.)
Won ti lo (He has gone – for an elder.)
But, in English, it is the he you use to refer to a male child that you use to identify his father – just as she and you remain constant. The English people, however, accommodates politeness and they demonstrate this with some grammatical choices or rules.
One of such is that in phrases where the speaker and other people are doing something or receiving the action, others should come first, followed by the speaker or writer:
I and Wizkid entered the hall at the same time (Wrong)
Wizkid and I entered the hall at the same time (Correct)
They clapped for me and Wizkid (Wrong)
They clapped for Wizkid and me. (Correct)
The governor abused me and you. (Wrong)
The governor abused you and me. (Correct)
In all the correct sentences, we accord the other people the first mention to show politeness. If you thus go back to the opening eight clauses that I asked you to study, you should be able to explain why numbers 1, 3, 5 and 7 are not right. Instead, it is numbers 2, 4, 6 and 8 that are correct.
I and John attended the school. (Wrong)
John and I attended the school. (Correct)
Me and John attended the school. (Wrong)
John and me attended the school. (Correct)
I and you will go there tomorrow. (Wrong)
You and I will go there tomorrow. (Correct)
He wants to see me and you. (Wrong)
He wants to see you and me. (Correct)
You and …
A lot of people do mix up you and I and you and me. Let me first note that both are correct and they are allowed in standard English – unlike between you and me and between you and I where the latter is wrong.
Remember, we dedicated a lesson to between you and me versus between you and I last year and I noted that the correct expression is between you and me because, in English, it is the objective pronoun that normally follows between.
Back to you and I and you and me, both are acceptable, but they are used in different contexts. If you use one where you are supposed to use the other, you would be wrong. The basic point is that while you and I is used as the subject of a clause, you and me is chosen for the objective position. I hope you remember that the subject of a clause is the doer of the action, while the object is the receiver:
John killed a snake. (‘John’ is the subject while ‘snake’ is the object.)
You saw me. (‘You’ is the subject, ‘me’ the object.)
You and I must go there. (Correct)
You and me must go there. (Wrong)
You and I watched the match. (Correct)
You and me watched the match. (Wrong)
They abused you and me. (Correct)
They abused you and I. (Wrong)
The success of the programme depends on you and me. (Correct)
The success of the programme depends on you and I. (Wrong)
Whenever you get confused as to whether you should use you and I or you and me, break the compound subject or object down and see whether I or me will work:
They congratulated you.
They congratulated me.
They congratulated I. (Wrong)
They congratulated you and me. (Correct)
They congratulated you and I. (Wrong)
You washed the car.
I washed the car.
Me washed the car. (Wrong)
You and I washed the car. (Correct)
You and me washed the car. (Wrong)
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ReplyDeleteThanks for bringing it here Stells.
DeleteJohn and me attended the school. (Correct).
DeleteThis is wrong !
John and Me are subjective pronounpronouns.
It should read "John and I " instead .
Thanks.
I learnt a lot
Thanks so much Stella. You have added value to my life today. Ilook forward to the 'May' and 'mIGHT', 'Will and Would' etc. *jojo
ReplyDeleteI'm not perfect
ReplyDeleteBut i already know all these. Thanks for the effort tho
EngRish tinZ
ReplyDeleteEducating...they should also treat more common mistake that people most likely mix up when writing e.g
ReplyDeleteI'm and Am.
Cause and Course. Etc
Nwa Teacher
ReplyDeleteNoted! We learn everyday๐10x!
ReplyDeleteAbi ooo. Noted. I pray make some of us remember
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ReplyDeleteTry and also note to stop stealing.
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ReplyDeleteWho English epp? lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ReplyDeleteLolzzz. E epp mee o
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ReplyDeleteI learnt something, thank you!
ReplyDeleteOyibo wu agbara
ReplyDeleteStella thanks for posting
The one that irritates me most is 'Thank God is Friday'. I fucking hate it.
ReplyDelete๐๐๐๐ฑ๐คฃ๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐, I fucking hate it as well๐
Deletehahahahaha let me look for trouble today. Portable this is for you hahahahaha.
ReplyDeletePorta and The General wife join together. Smart crooks abbreviating 'been' and 'being' since 19korodogo
DeleteJobless illiterates
And one fellow with cotton wool filled brain will come and shout "Na who English epp" seem like sometin my ex will say iiiiiisssshhhhh I hate to hear him say that with his..........
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DeleteProphetess you are.... move up!! ๐
DeleteVery important in English language. Stella and me are getting married soon. ( correct) Stella and I are getting married soon (wrong).
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DeleteHahahaha jesu christi๐๐๐
DeleteLet me add to the lecture. Your sentences are correct but in reporting a crime, you mention yourself first before your partner in crime. But in other usage, you mention d second person b4 your name. Example: Myself and john killed the woman(correct) John and I came to your house(correct). John and I killed the woman(wrong).
ReplyDeleteMyself and John killed the woman (wrong)
DeleteI and John killed the woman ( correct)
John and I killed d woman. You people will never learn
DeleteLmao! Aunty Stella, please correct the "am" vs I'm first, and the will and would that even our Aunty London Chikito can't seem to use correctly
ReplyDeleteHow about "loose" instead of "lose". Aaarrrggghhh!! that gets my goat all the time!! Stella you use it too,take note.
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Thanks so much for this
ReplyDelete*Larry was here*
Good..but who plenty grammar without shi shi for pocket help?
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DeleteThank you.
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Nice!
ReplyDeleteEfe BBNaija, I like you but you need to stop speaking like what I don't know. If you wanna use English, complete the sentence in English and stop mixing pidgin.
Copy and paste made easy! Stella your own daily gbagaun no get part two too.
ReplyDeleteE concern u?
Deleterhoda STFU
DeleteWho English EPP
ReplyDeleteWho English epp?
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DeleteUna don hear. Dem plenty for this blog. All those visitors wey think sey na them own the blog.
ReplyDeleteNo 1: I...e
And others. Lol
As long as we understand each oda. No problem
ReplyDeleteGive her, her book
ReplyDeleteGood to know.
ReplyDeleteOyinbo bu...
ReplyDeletethanks for the lecture
ReplyDeleteSdk really educating
ReplyDeleteFantastic!
ReplyDeleteStella please also address the use of
Am and I'm
Whose and who's
Been and being
This and These
Amongst others.
It really irks me when I see the interchange of these words used wrongly.
Been and being! Gosh smh
DeleteElementary tutorial
ReplyDeleteI always say it to anyone who cares to listen, if you aren't acquainted with the English language from the cradle and teens phase of life...forget it because it will definitely be an uphill task in your adulthood with unnecessary "gbagauns" here and there.
Enter your comment...good to know. no more blunder!
ReplyDeletePhew!!
ReplyDeleteA little confusing, but enlightening. Learnt 1 or 2 things.
I really think we should also correct this "am" issue. It's getting out of hand. The correct one is "I'm" or "I am".
People take note.
Thanks..
Yeah and also still on bed (wrong)and still in bed(right)
DeleteOr 'high hills'
DeleteAnd 'I'm on a white gown'
High Hills????!!! I don die oooo Hahahahhahahaha I haven't seen that one so far. Gosh high Hills
Delete@ Sandy,Tnx for pointing it out, especially on SP,some blog visitors always use still on Bed.
DeleteNoted.
Uwc Makason! Yes oo, I see that a lot in SP post. We all aint perfect jare, english is hard๐๐. Dont mind all those itks suffering from OCD syndrome๐๐
Delete@Sandy, you're so correct. So many so called graduates use wrong tenses and excuse them as typographical errors **rolls eyes**
Deletehmm nice. Thanks
ReplyDeleteRefreshment course for us bvs๐๐๐
ReplyDeleteThis was helpful I just have to remember to save the page
ReplyDeleteWow, thank you this Stella..
ReplyDeleteNo knowledge is lost.thanks stella.
ReplyDeletegirls make una correct una selves now because na una dey vomit nonsense grammar for mouth
ReplyDeleteNo knowledge is wasted.....
ReplyDeleteI learnt
Stella this segment should treated regularly. Most of your bvs are air-heads especially the graduates and masters degree holders. They should be taught the use of 'being and been' 'his and is' 'brothers and brother's' 'there and their' 'shot and shut' e.t.c. It's a very disturbing issue. Little wonder so many of them are jobless!
ReplyDeleteOK o. I have learnt today without being in school.
ReplyDeleteThis post will help the following people to improve their English.
ReplyDeleteWhiteberry (bomb master)
Rolex chick(Assistant bomb master)
Peacemaker
Mac Pinky(Adebisi)
Queen and boss
Kidjo
Portable Viv
Lovemejeje
Ibukunoluwa
Sandy Neky
Isaacson
SDK herself
I'm coming back
Another one is Mrs R, that woman needs to go back to school.
ReplyDeletelove mejeje u need dis post wella oo.
ReplyDeleteTnx,Stella for the post..
ReplyDeleteNoted.
There you have it. My friend nearly fought me on "You and I" saying it don't matter.
ReplyDeleteEnglish no be papa language
ReplyDelete*my
ReplyDeleteI love this segment. I hope to see more as time passes
ReplyDeleteSmh this is not true. You would not say 'they congratulated you and me'..you would say 'they congratulated US'.
ReplyDeleteThis is really good and educative Stella. These are common mistakes we make daily whether consciously or unconsciously. Another very common one is Been and Being.
ReplyDeleteWe should always be open to learning, nobody has monopoly of knowledge.
ReplyDeleteThis is a nice initiative. Too many illiterate BVs, and na them dey run mouth pass.
ReplyDeletePlease do another one for "Am" and "I'm". and "They're" and "Their"